Thursday, June 23, 2005

What Kind of Sex Should We be Having????

ha ha, got you hooked right? My minding is mulling over what should we be expecting from marriage and/or sex? What does a normal relationship look like? I cannot accept the bull that everyone is different and you can't really say. There definently seems to be some key ingredients to get people through to that 50 yr anniverary. When I think of my parents (50 yrs next summer) they found each other attractive, had the same missionary goals (to go to Africa that is!), got married and stay married, not being married was not an option and so they made their way through what ever. They did not seem to have many expectations of each other, they were really each other's help mate, they wanted to have children and so they helped each other in that. There was a practicality to it all. They wanted to be missionaries and they helped each other in that. They seem even more in love now, it is more then practicality now. They seem to understand that on this side of the ocean of life, they have each other, someone to grow old with who will not be ashamed to wipe the others' bum if they can't do it for themselves... there is something so beautiful in that. But how did they make it that far? As a culture we put too much pressure on relationships to fill us, make us feel loved, beautiful, smart, sexy, complete. Is that fair, is that why marriage can't last long these days, because you cannot maintain all that for very long. So what can we expect from marriage that isn't giving up/setteling/ being lazy, but at the same time isn't killing it with unrealistic expectation?

I have similar questions about sex. What is a normal number of times to have sex per week, month, year, is it spiritual or just sex, should you "make" yourself do it even if you don't want to for the other person's sake? How can you create a safe place were both people get as much and as good sex as they can imagine. Men and women have different needs, different times in life biologically when they peak, what does that mean... are we always at different places sexually so we have to be always giving, serving the other? What is realistic to expect. Should we have higher expectations? How do we keep ourselves from wondering? Who can help us through this wilderness, I want to know so that if I really don't need to be worring about it then I can relax and know what is normal???

It's the flicker of our flames
It's the friction born of living
It's the way we beat a hot retreat
and heave our smoking guns into the river
Sometimes it feels like bars of steel I cannot bend with my hands
oh-I worry too much

Mark Heard -Second Hand

8 Comments:

Blogger Erica said...

3 to 5
16 to 20
219
both
yes and no

Those are all the answers I have this evening.

11:04 p.m.  
Blogger mimlap said...

hmmm..interesting thought about the physical maturity vs. emotional maturity. I myself have found myself to more like a "typical" man when it comes to sex...it is not such an emotional thing for me but most of my female freinds feel differently from me and I do have male freinds who are more like the "typical" women when it comes to sex. I guess my question is more that many people feel the sex life of a couple is a barometer for their relationship...is this so, if so, what should the barometer read? And if men and women are so different and we should not give sex to someone when we are not into it, how does any couple ever want to have sex at the same time..I wachted an Oparh show once where a sexpert suggested that sex really was like a business and you had to make investments and appointments to make it work..appointments and poll dancing seemed to be another inportant key...I have the tape of that show if anyone is interested.

To sum up, how do we know if we should be worried...how do we know if we should be seeking a sexpert or viagra or just happy to be alive and not worry about any of these things? As a community of freinds, how do support each other in our relationships if no one who is older and wiser does not teach us..but no one old seems to want to talk about sex...

Anyhoo...most days I wish I could escape my life but then again I can't imagine what I would want to escape to.

10:48 a.m.  
Blogger Eric said...

How does one get to be called a "sex expert"? Is there a pannel that votes? Is it based on the witness testimony or the experience of the pannel? Can one just claim the title? If this last one were the case I am sure that there would be many people who would proclaim themselves "sex experts". Oh... wait... there are.

I have many thoughts to address here, but given my wife's comments, I better watch what I say.

Should you have sex when you are not in to it? Self proclaimed "sex expert" Eric agrees with the yes and no. Should you feel expected to, no. However I think that you can decide to "get in the mood", despite what has been going on.

I know that there are a whole lot of differences that have made discussions like this difficult for men and women, physiology, sociology, and whatever other "ology" you may want to include but I think that sex flows out of love and love is a decision, not just a feeling, a commitment, not just a buzz. It is from that commitment that we sometimes decide to enjoy things that our partner does.

So speaks the "sex expert".

11:58 p.m.  
Blogger Warren said...

Hmm. I think in marriage, the expectations on sex, and on other parts of the relationship can be whatever deal two people can make and maintain. If forgiveness, leniency, tolerance, and self-giving are a part of the mix, even so there's no guarantees, but it's the horse I'm betting on.

Anyways, I'm in a pretty bad spot in life to be talking about how marriages should work, I am only qualified at this point to explain a few sure-fire ways to cock it all up. One thing I can say is destructive to marriage is if one or both people don't find the other attractive anymore. Even if you don't have sex very often, if you feel attracted regularly to each other, I think it gives an impetus to rebuild the strained aspects of the relationship. Complete lack of attraction means that all that is left, if you're like me, is this moral urge to "do the right thing", which is stay together, but does not give you any boost in your ability to be kind, merciful, and loving .

Warren

8:37 p.m.  
Blogger Erica said...

Ah - the unoffically divorced...

I mentioned this on someone else's blog (I think Rick 3's)...

Anyway, this is the term I've come up with for couples who aren't really together anymore, but they stay together for the sake of.... whatever.

I must confess, there is a part of me that believes that, with two willing people, a marriage can be saved - and can be good...

But it requires 2 willing people.

I'm really not sure what to do if one person isn't willing.

Do they stay together to avoid an official divorce? Do they stay together with faith that God will fix it? Or do they admit that they are actually not really married and make it official?

I don't have answers here. Only opinions. And shaky ones at that.

11:49 p.m.  
Blogger Black Mamba said...

Good one Mim. Sex always inspires conversation.

If one partner is not interested, ask yourself: "Why"

There is always a reason. An important one.

Whether you are male or female, sex is about intimacy. The more you work on clearing the road to intimacy, the more success you will have in bed. This is for idividuals and partners to think about. Two people will often need different things - so work on what gets your partner interested in being physically intimate...NOT what gets you interested - it's all about the partner. And yes, sometimes you should have sex even if you're not in the mood. But if you're never in the mood - do some soul searching for yourself! Maybe you haven't yet articulated the "why not" to your self.

Who am I? Dr. Ruth? Dr. Phil?
(don't watch either - BTW is Dr Ruth still alive?)

As for divorce. It sucks. It sucks ASS.
Ok, but if you already are, or you're going to be, well, plenty of wisdom is to be gained from such painful events. It's not a comfort really - but it is a good bonus. And if you're a person who cares about maturity and knowledge and wisdom and expressive art,...it's gold.

9:13 p.m.  
Blogger Warren said...

Yes, divorce sucks ass. But staying married sucks even more ass, in some cases.

UltraWarren

3:51 p.m.  
Blogger Black Mamba said...

True enough.

6:42 p.m.  

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